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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.14 01:39:00 -
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No, it's more heavies need to miss frigs a bit and interceptors a lot. They'll still kill WEBBED ones, but..
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.14 03:40:00 -
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Or you could use one large nos. Yea. Or ANY drones - I'm suggesting that this be changed to medium/small drones for frigates and inties. So your raven would have to drop 2 heavies for 5 mediums. Not the biggest nerf ever, especially if you can control 9 or 10 drones...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.14 12:56:00 -
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MWDing at close range is, as you well know, an expensive way of commiting suicide. Plus, if you're running a MWD your scramble will last, maybe, 30 seconds (disruptors GULP cap!) before cap runs out. Then the BS leaves. Oops?
Grey Area, no, I'm saying that you'll have 6 heavies and 5 mediums. If you can only deploy 8, then that's 6/2 vs BS, and 3/5 vs Frigs. If you can deploy another drone, that's allways going to help. But it's hardly necessary in any sense of the word.
And don't being missiles into the thread.
keepiru is basically right.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.14 18:06:00 -
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Tyrrax: Heh.
Toaster Oven, for me it's easy. I admit yes, I've got good skills and there are a few tricks (DON'T use a T2 MWD, frex), but it's pretty easy...
Given the people agreeing with Istvaan...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.15 15:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Amrotis
Nerfing drones in any way is wrong imo. Atm they are the _single_ way BS can deal damage to a smaller ship at close range
Nos.
Sorry, you're wrong. Next!
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.15 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
And on a BS you can fit maybe TWO Nos...which do not REMOVE the tacklers from play, they just make them ineffective...so, three tacklers and the BS is toast.
Leave drones alone, they are fine.
So THREE people can TACKLE one? (Not kill, tackle, in ships fitted for tackling)
Sounds good to me. Wait, why is this bad again? Oh, you're trolling.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.15 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 15/10/2005 18:44:22
How about missiles?
Or smartbombs?
Or small guns?
I'm not arguing that medium and small drones should not be effective against frigates.
I am arguing that LARGE drones should not be very good against frigates.
Having to fit some medium or small drones instead of a pure load of large is NOT a painful nerf.
You "imagine" that an inty might be able to soak the damage, well, no it can't really. Because as soon as it's nossed or webbed it's dead in moments from heavies. And without a MWD, another inty will likely slaughter it in any case.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.15 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Amrotis
And ok, let me reword my imagined scenario. I assume a plated inty with an ab _that isnt being nossed or webbed_ can survive heavy dronage from a BS for a reasonable period of time. Obviously if you nos and web it it will become more vulnerable, and will get slaughtered by most things when it has no cap and no speed  The point is that if it is left alone, it can handle heavy drones. I don't see how saying how they wtfpwn virtually the most fragile ships in game when they are nossed and webbed shows how they are overpowered :/
So, if the target has fitted ZERO defences against smaller ships, then the smaller ship can tackle the larger one? Okay. Anyone else a the problem with that? Because I don't.
Note that that AB-fitted inty will be dead meat to a MWD one which can control the engagement range - and it still cannot last long against the heavy drones. MAYBE 50% longer than without the AB.
Nos/Neuts are useful against anything which closes within 20km - most BS cannot fit a full set of their main guns, and equally small guns are practical on some setups, which have little to spare afer fitting their main gun battery.
Webs are carried by many closer-range setups, and smartbombs work fine if you haven't deployed drones, or they are busy elsewhere.
Failing all those, carrying some medium or small drones should prove effective.
If you do NONE of them, you deserve all you get. Heavy drones destroying frigates is hardly a requirement, or desired by the majority of PvPers.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.15 23:10:00 -
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That's a related but seperate issue, and I'd like to see some damage^3 numbers for each drone before I commented on it.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.15 23:18:00 -
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Given they're cruisers, it's be a few % points. Heavy drones should still be able to hit cruisers. Point out where I said they should not.
Or READ. I want heavy drones to be less effective against frigates. That is ALL.
I am awaiting figures on if light drones need a boost.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.15 23:21:00 -
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I'm not sure if a 5%/level skill for drone damage is needed, or a base damage increase would be more appropriate, but I do agree in principle - especially with the drone based ships needing 5% damage to them. (Also the Amarr drone cruiser...)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.16 00:42:00 -
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Now Grim's agreeing. I think we're heading towards critical mass.
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